Zoom Book Discussion on Tuesday, May 25

If you have not yet caught a Zoom book discussion by author Marney Keenan of her 2020 book The Snow Killings: Inside the Oakland County Child Killer Investigation, or even if you have and now have other questions, sign up for the next discussion here:


The discussion is offered through the Ferndale Public Library and OaklandCountyTimes.com. Questions can be submitted in advance by email to maggie@ferndalepubliclibrary.org.

The advertised time is listed as 7 p.m. and also 6:30 p.m., so be sure to double-check.

Mark Stebbins, the first known victim of the OCCK(s), was abducted in Ferndale. If you review some of the FOIA documents I posted in March and April 2020, it is very obvious that Ferndale was a locus for pedophiles. The creeps who were present at the VFW Hall the afternoon Mark went missing, as well as some of the “family men” (with their own kids) living in Ferndale at that time will make your skin crawl.

Arch Sloan was looked at early on in the Stebbins investigation and his car searched. Yet no one would hear his name until the July 2012 press conference by previous Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2012/07/20/legal-expert-weighs-in-on-latest-break-in-oakland-county-child-killer-case/. Sloan, like Ted Lamborgine, is an old pedophile rotting in prison in Michigan. Evidence obtained from his car during the Stebbins investigation would not be carefully considered until decades later when magically, somebody figured out that hairs from Sloan’s vehicle matched hairs found on the bodies of Mark and Tim King. Hairs that in the case of Tim King, had been “misfiled” as animal hairs.

The biggest, most expensive manhunt of its kind back in 1977 and 1978. And what do they have to show for it? Zoom discussions by civilians some 45 years later.

Latest episode of podcast The Forever Children of Oakland County

Take a listen to the latest episode(s) of a new podcast about the OCCK case. Start at the beginning if you are new to the series.


I am always struck by the observations of people of all ages and from all over the country and the world about this case. How on earth did Oakland County and the Michigan State Police control their dirty narrative for all these decades and how are they still able to remain mute in the face of evidence and questions that should be addressed publicly once and for all? How are the state police allowed to talk out of both sides of their mouths: The case is open, so we won’t comment or respond to FOIA requests, yet we continue to lose evidence in this still-open case? How is it that every prosecutor since L. Brooks Patterson has looked the other way and wiped their hands of this case, thereby supporting and perpetuating the removal of Brooksie’s “fingerprints” from this case and thereby joining the ranks of the complicit?

A reader wrote me and asked “Let’s say the actual killer is found. Then what?” Then people at the MSP and the OCP have to do their jobs; investigate all of the connections to this person/persons, why he/they were dismissed or overlooked as a suspect, determine who knew and kept quiet, who was complicit, determine if there was any obstruction of justice and whether any money exchanged hands, ask for any living victims to come forward, charge and try anyone still living, and explain all of this to the public. Oh yeah, and admit to errors, omissions and perhaps much worse. That’s for starters. Now that Det. Williams is retired can you think of anyone who would deal with any of this? They are too busy covering their asses and the asses of their predecessors to speak/work on behalf of the dead kids who can’t speak for themselves.

People Worldwide Talking About the OCCK

Check it out:

The Oakland County Child Killer – Interview with Author Marney Rich Keenan – ForenSeek – Mysteries, Crimes, Curiosities

This unsolved series of crimes continues to put Oakland County, Michigan on the map, even as Oakland County and the Michigan State Police continue to fail to respond in a lame, 45-year attempt to keep control of their deceptive narrative.

Check out the ForenSeek app as well:

Works for other jurisdictions.

Not so eager in Oakland County, Michigan.

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John Hastings

Let’s have a discussion about John Hastings and his friends at the Michigan State Police.

On January 13, 2021, I wrote the following about the polygraph conducted by the Georgia Highway in October 2009 on John Hastings:


In September 2020, I posted the following about the same subject:

Having “done business” with the Michigan State Police before in FOIA matters, on January 29 I decided to start with the Georgia Highway Patrol and sent the following FOIA request to the Open Records Unit in Atlanta:

The response:

I then tried three different emails for Steve Duncan, the polygrapher who conducted the polygraph on Hastings. Two bounced back, one did not. I did not hear back from him.

Then I was stuck going to the MSP. On February 10 I sent the following FOIA request to the MSP. Note that I included the relevant, dated report discussing the materials I was requesting.

Fifteen days later, on February 25, the usual request for an extension of time to respond:

March 11, the letter asking for a deposit. I paid the $271.98:

April 22, need more time to respond:

And today, the response demonstrating the MSP are still very much the assholes they were when my Dad had to file suit against them to respond to FOIA requests and then charged him over $11,000 for 3500 or so pages:

Did you catch the “Additional comments” section at the very end where it says: “The Michigan State Police cannot locate copies of the DVD or the separate reports prepared by Duncan.” IN WHAT THEY CALL AN “OPEN HOMICIDE CASE,” A SERIAL CHILD MURDER CASE WITH FOUR VICTIMS, AFTER THIS AGENCY HAS BEEN IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR FUCKING UP EVIDENCE, THEY CAN’T FIND THE DVDs AND REPORTS PREPARED FOR THEM BY A GEORGIA INVESTIGATOR IN 2009?

So basically, they want over $600 to send me copies of the three fucking pages I included in my FOIA request to guide their search. The pages where MSP D/Sgt. Garry Gary summarizes his chat with polygrapher Duncan, who “advised there was no question in his mind, whatsoever, that [Hastings] has some involvement with the murders of these children. He stated he didn’t know to what degree of involvement he may have, whether did the murder or assisted, but he firmly believes he was involved.” He stated again “that there is no question in his mind that he is involved with these murders.” When asked if Duncan thought Hastings knew Busch, “he stated absolutely.”

You have knowledge, you child-hunter. The only reason you skated is that you would have then been linked up to Chris Busch, who links to H. Lee, who links to . . . well, you know some of the “who’s,” don’t you John? That could have gotten very messy for a lot of people, not just you.

I will appeal this bullshit, because I remember from the FOIA documents we previously got that there is a fucking log indicating receipt of these materials by the MSP from Georgia Highway Patrol in the pages following Gray’s report. They will still claim “they can’t find it,” and I do not believe for a single second that anyone got off their ass at that agency for 18 hours to search for the requested material, which should have been filed under Hastings, John, 2009. It’s not that hard. That place is shameful.

Why doesn’t somebody spend 18 hours with that Y-str DNA sample developed in Kristine’s case. This development was discussed in Marney Keenan’s book, The Snow Killings, Inside the Oakland County Child Killer Investigations. You know, the kind of sample where they separate male DNA from female DNA to get a profile? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5418305/. You know, the male DNA Dr. Robert Sillery said was not present? That seems like a good use of 18 hours.

And by way of comparison, check out this specific cost break down for a FOIA request I filed with the Birmingham Police Department. The state police continue to play manipulative games at the expense of victims. Not all agencies are as callous and vindictive.

Before you tell me to go to the Oakland County Prosecutor or the Attorney General’s office about Hastings and this little matter of Steve Duncan’s conclusions after interviewing and polygraphing Hastings–I did. In January, before I decided to send the FOIA request to Georgia. Response? As of April 28, 2020, nothing.

State legislatures are starting to realize the legal gaps protecting pedophiles.

Today the Pennsylvania legislature is voting on “window” legislation which would create a two-year civil liability window for child sex abuse survivors to bring suits that were previously long barred by the statute of limitations. See https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh-county/2021/04/child-sex-abuse-survivors-hopeful-pa-legislature-passes-2-year-civil-suit-window.html. Supporters are aware they have enough votes to pass this window legislation in the PA senate. Which leads me to this series of disturbing tweets:

As I have posted before, maybe the Catholic church could save itself some money, or at least reorient the expenditure of its flock’s funds, by getting rid of its pedophile priests (I realize how much this will thin the ranks), and stop moving them around the country to victimize other kids. The church not only pays lobbyists obscene amounts of money, but also has to pay attorneys to defend their criminal priests and then the settlements/damages in civil lawsuits. This while they also spend tons of money to enact restrictive abortion laws and then ignore living children who are victimized by their own “army.” And on top of that, they have to pay their Catholic mafia security firms they use to fuck with victims and their representatives and supporters. I wonder how that squares with their Ten Commandments? And of course, their little “fundraisers.” Senator Kim Ward–what a joke you are. Better hit the confessional some time this week. CHILD USA is right–protect kids, not bishops. When will this religion (and others, like the Mormons), lose their grip on malleable state and federal legislators?

See also:

The laws were changed in Michigan in 2019 to expand the statute of limitations for victims of childhood sexual abuse to file civil and criminal cases. See https://www.michiganradio.org/post/legislation-would-expand-statute-limitations-survivors-sexual-assault. Even with these changes, Michigan still ranks as one of the most restrictive states for giving survivors access to the justice system. Only a portion of the law was retroactive (the “window”), and was clearly designed to carve out exceptions for victims of serial child sex offender and MSU “Dr.” Larry Nassar, as well as of rival U of M’s late “Dr.” Robert Anderson. ttps://www.mlive.com/news/2018/06/nassar-inspired_laws_give_chil.html; https://www.michiganradio.org/post/legislation-would-expand-statute-limitations-survivors-sexual-assault.

This legislation was a start in creating a safer environment for children in Michigan, but only a long overdue start. Michigan has been a friendly environment for decades for pedophiles and it flourished exponentially as monster Frank Shelden was allowed to act with impunity in many parts of southeast Michigan and in Charlevoix and N. Fox Island, and then escape to the Netherlands. I wonder how many priests were on his “client” lists? And Oakland County, Michigan, was a hotbed for pedophiles in suits and wearing stethoscopes during the era of the OCCK abductions and murders. I maintain this is in large part why those crimes were never “solved”–because to do so would expose men who worked at high levels in the auto industry and in state government. Child sex and porn activity gravitated there because it was safe to do so. Every prosecutor since L. Brooks Patterson has this sad history to answer for. Somebody backed down when it came to pedophiles with power and money and children became very disposable in that county. That is your history and you need to get honest. For once.

Rot in Hell, Padre

But warm up in the general prison population first.


The Forever Children of Oakland County

I love that Eddie White is keeping the spotlight on the unsolved Oakland County child killings. While Oakland County and the Michigan State Police did everything they could to keep the communities and the state from asking any questions and controlling the narrative for over four decades, squelching inquiry and making it impossible to close these cases, every generation needs to know how these abductions and murders continued to happen, and why they were never solved. There has never been transparency in this case, so good for podcasters and the press for making people think.


If you stay silent, the system is working.

Civil lawsuits are the only way to break this sickness open. Prosecutors who won’t file charges; judges who go easy on “molesters”–civil suits against rapists and their institutional enablers may change the course of this shameful history.


I’ve heard that bullshit before by public servants who whine that “they weren’t even born when these crimes occurred.” Bad news–you are the face of the county now. That is how it works, and you know it. It’s not like they are going after you personally (unless you have acted in bad faith on the case since taking office). Shameful response. Get your act together and realize it’s not the old days, when pigs in high office could safely play hide the ball, or a job as a public servant meant only perks and none of the responsibility carried by hard workers in the private sector. Better get an umbrella policy. And get someone to screen your agency’s press/social media statements.

Michigan is #1

Top of the list for lowest clearance rate for homicide cases, meaning it has the most unsolved murder cases:


Unsurprisingly, the most “chilling and infamous” unsolved case in Michigan is the Oakland County Child Killer(s) case.


Here is how Michigan is represented on the map:

At least four children were held captive and killed. They were always found wearing the clothes they went missing in. Despite an abundance of evidence tying several pedophiles to the case, no one was convicted.

There you sit, Oakland County, right next to the 1892 Borden murders in Massachusetts. Nice work.

Thank you to Already Gone podcaster Nina Innsted for sending the infographic.