Listen to Dr. Micheal Arntfield discuss the OCCK case with J. Reuben Appelman on Appelman’s podcast, You Know They Know:

Appelman is the author of The Kill Jar, Obsession, Descent, and a Hunt for Detroit’s Most Notorious Serial Killer. I discussed Dr. Arntfield’s observations on the OCCK case in a previous post.

Listen to what Dr. Arntfield has to say about this case, consider his credentials and expertise (see also,, and ask yourself how you can argue with what he posits. Unless you saw one of these kids while they were in captivity and have absolute direct knowledge, I don’t see how you can argue with this. I’m sure somebody without direct knowledge will try.

You need to hear this. Especially if you live in Oakland County.