Who looks most like John Wayne Gacy?

The file photo of Bloomfield Township P.D. Cpl Richard McNamee immediately caught my attention and that of Marney Keenan, who obtained the FOIA documents. Both of us well-remembered the statement by witness Doug Wilson, who saw my brother Tim in the parking lot before he was abducted on March 16, 1977. He was ultimately hypnotized and interviewed by the FBI about all of his recollections.

In April 2012 my Dad found Doug Wilson and spoke with him. See Chapter 6 of this link to my Dad’s blog: http://afathersstory-occk.com/tag/barry-king/page/3/. I have discussed Doug’s statements in my blog, too: https://catherinebroad.blog/2013/02/04/thank-you-doug-wilson/ (2013). Sadly, the link to the interview is broken now. It was a great interview.

Doug had always assumed our family had been told about the information he provided back in June 1977. Of course no one told my parents. Here is a summary of my Dad’s phone call with Doug on April 4, 2012:

OCCK–Doug Wilson Call.

Here is the letter Doug sent my Dad after they spoke:

Doug Wilson Letter

Doug describes seeing Tim skateboarding and two men. One was younger, about 25-30, wearing a plaid shirt jacket and jeans, with a baseball cap over his shoulder-length hair. This man was speaking with Tim. Doug then sees an older man sitting in a 1973 Pontiac LeMans 2/door coupe which had been backed into the parking place, closer to the building.

“He fixed his gaze on mine and continued to stare at me intently. There was something unnerving about this man and I remember thinking he might be a car theif. He looked to be about 55-65 years of age. He had totally grey hair and looked about 20-30 pounds overweight. He had a very round face.”

. . .

Years later I saw a picture of John Wayne Gacy after he was arrested for his crimes, I felt that this man might have been the older man I saw in the LeMans that long ago evening.

As my Dad’s notes indicate, Doug told him the older man resembled John Wayne Gacy.

Who do you think most resembles John Wayne Gacy?

Photos

Consider the following from a long-time member of Spite P.D. concerning Doug Wilson’s statement:

Observations on Doug Wilson’s statement

And where the hell are the sketches of the older and younger men Doug Wilson saw near my brother? This is June of 1977 and they are NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. And Wilson is advised to keep quiet about the LeMans. WTF?

Furthermore, consider these notes my brother took from a meeting with Mel Paunovich who was one of the responding officers to the discovery of Mark Stebbin’s body. He said “he had always thought the murderer was a member of law enforcement or extremely close to someone in law enforcement because ‘he seemed to know exactly what we were doing and where we were looking.'”

Notes, Paunovich

Wouldn’t it be great to have a cop helping survey the scene of a potential abduction? Or letting you know when cops are going to start stopping every car in Oakland County at the shift change?

On the evening of Wednesday, March 17, 1977, my 16-year-old brother Chris was out looking for Tim after 11 p.m. He carried a baseball bat. As he told police the next day, he saw a car turn off Maple Road and just before the intersection of Cambridge and Yorkshire (our street), cut the lights. Because our neighborhood was very dark and the lights were off on the car, he could not see the color, make or model. He said it was alarming. What better person to do a sweep to see the police presence in our neighborhood than a cop? A reader wrote to tell me that McNamee’s previous employer, Home Juice, was a mafia-run company. Google Speaking Freely: Detroit Gangland Icon Tony Giacalone Caught Speaking His Mind In His Heyday – The Gangster Report. This highlights the stupidity of McNamee getting fucked up at a company party and hitting on a Home Juice co-worker’s 11-year-old daughter.

Home Juice

When McNamee’s name was turned into the task force in 1979, after the Busch “suicide,” no one was apparently in any mood to cross-reference any police reports and see that McNamee responded, solo, to the Busch home.

We may never get anywhere with this, but you can get some sense of the stone-walling, railroading and gaslighting we have been up against. More later.


19 Comments on “Who looks most like John Wayne Gacy?”

  1. Kevin says:

    That explains something I’ve always wondered about. Supposedly Tony Jack has the occk killed. I wondered how he would have known who the occk was. He may have found out from McNamee

  2. Benjamin smith says:

    Cathy I know you are frustrated and you have every right to be. I also know you are losing all faith in law enforcement. While all of this is going on I still think it would still be worth trying to contact Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel. The worst that can happen is she not reply or refuse to help. She oversees all of these law enforcement agencies in the State. She has also probed pedophile rings in the Catholic Church. Which included 270 priests and 552 victims. She also got into it with Whitmer before over her legal brief she provided that supported lawsuits against the State of Michigan over education in Detroit schools. I feel that if you were able to get her attention you may be able to get her to help you out. Imagine all of these negligent detectives and prosecutors explaining their sloppy work to the highest law enforcement authority in the State of Michigan.

    Here is some contact information I pulled from the State AG website if you ever consider trying to contact her.

    AG CONTACT
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    Hours: Monday – Friday,
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    Phone: 517-335-7622
    Fax: 517-335-7644
    Email: miag@michigan.gov
    FOR SERVICE OF PROCESS, PLEASE INDICATE SERVICE OF PROCESS IN THE SUBJECT LINE.
    Submit a Scheduling Request

    MAILING ADDRESS
    G. Mennen Williams Building
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    Detroit, MI 48202
    Phone: 313-456-0240
    Fax: 313-456-0243

  3. Malbifund says:

    Frank Shelden also would have looked as described – near 50 years of age in 1977, overweight, round face, and although it was the younger man in plaid, that is a favourite of Frank’s = >

    • Sherry says:

      My friend in 1976 went to a motocross at the Silverdome event . This was after he met a man at Kresge near 7 Mile and Gratiot. He asked a man for the time, the gentleman gave him the time and said since I did you a favor csn you do me a favor and give me your phone number being 12 yrs old and trusting he gave it to him. This man met his parents and they let thier son go with this man. His father showed to this gad station on 10 mile and Ryzn where he told my friends parents where they were going. My friend doesn’t remember much about the gas station just that 2 men were there. The next week he and this man went to the Silverdome to see the motocross. As they were leaving the event this man asked my friend if he would like to go camping on an island and go dirt biking . On the way home this man started rubbing my friends penis on the outside of his pants, then after a few mins he stopped and ask my friend to touch him.. my friend did. He has lived with this for many yrs but last week he had a breakthrough after he watched the fox island and saw the picture of Sheldon. He said he is 99 % positive that was the man. If anyone who is reading this blog and this happened to you please respond. I connected the state police last Monday and no return phone call after leaving my phone number and nsne with an officer. Thank you

    • Sherry says:

      My friend in 1976 went to a motocross at the Silverdome event . This was after he met a man at Kresge near 7 Mile and Gratiot. He asked a man for the time, the gentleman gave him the time and said since I did you a favor csn you do me a favor and give me your phone number being 12 yrs old and trusting he gave it to him. This man met his parents and they let thier son go with this man. His father showed to this gad station on 10 mile and Ryzn where he told my friends parents where they were going. My friend doesn’t remember much about the gas station just that 2 men were there. The next week he and this man went to the Silverdome to see the motocross. As they were leaving the event this man asked my friend if he would like to go camping on an island and go dirt biking . On the way home this man started rubbing my friends penis on the outside of his pants, then after a few mins he stopped and ask my friend to touch him.. my friend did. He has lived with this for many yrs but last week he had a breakthrough after he watched the fox island and saw the picture of Sheldon. He said he is 99 % positive that was the man. If anyone who is reading this blog and this happened to you please respond. I connected the state police last Monday and no return phone call after leaving my phone number and nsne with an officer. Thank you

    • Sheri says:

      My friend in 1976 went to a motocross at the Silverdome event . This was after he met a man at Kresge near 7 Mile and Gratiot. He asked a man for the time, the gentleman gave him the time and said since I did you a favor csn you do me a favor and give me your phone number being 12 yrs old and trusting he gave it to him. This man met his parents and they let thier son go with this man. His father showed to this gad station on 10 mile and Ryzn where he told my friends parents where they were going. My friend doesn’t remember much about the gas station just that 2 men were there. The next week he and this man went to the Silverdome to see the motocross. As they were leaving the event this man asked my friend if he would like to go camping on an island and go dirt biking . On the way home this man started rubbing my friends penis on the outside of his pants, then after a few mins he stopped and ask my friend to touch him.. my friend did. He has lived with this for many yrs but last week he had a breakthrough after he watched the fox island and saw the picture of Sheldon. He said he is 99 % positive that was the man. If anyone who is reading this blog and this happened to you please respond. I connected the state police last Monday and no return phone call after leaving my phone number and nsne with an officer. Thank you

    • Sheri p says:

      My friend in 1976 went to a motocross at the Silverdome event . This was after he met a man at Kresge near 7 Mile and Gratiot. He asked a man for the time, the gentleman gave him the time and said since I did you a favor csn you do me a favor and give me your phone number being 12 yrs old and trusting he gave it to him. This man met his parents and they let thier son go with this man. His father showed to this gad station on 10 mile and Ryzn where he told my friends parents where they were going. My friend doesn’t remember much about the gas station just that 2 men were there. The next week he and this man went to the Silverdome to see the motocross. As they were leaving the event this man asked my friend if he would like to go camping on an island and go dirt biking . On the way home this man started rubbing my friends penis on the outside of his pants, then after a few mins he stopped and ask my friend to touch him.. my friend did. He has lived with this for many yrs but last week he had a breakthrough after he watched the fox island and saw the picture of Sheldon. He said he is 99 % positive that was the man. If anyone who is reading this blog and this happened to you please respond. I connected the state police last Monday and no return phone call after leaving my phone number and nsne with an officer. Thank you

  4. Jeremy Press says:

    Is there any link between Greg Greene and McNamee? The description of the man talking to Tim seems to fit Greg Greene. Any way to check on the vehicles owned by McNamee at that time? I often wondered why the composite pictures taken by the FBI when Doug Wilson was hypnotized were never released to the victims families or the public?

    Thanks,

    Jeremy

    • crimebuffy says:

      I have also wondered why those composite sketches weren’t released. I take the position that they hold a major key to this case.

    • bitamoney says:

      Jeremy, I was onto the same idea. I have my doubts about how long records are kept but to search all of these people, especially McNamee, for Bonneville ownership, would be so helpful.

      • bitamoney says:

        Meant to say LeMans

      • wolverine321 says:

        Is there a way to look up old arrest records on Arch Sloan to see who the officer was? Just wondering if NcNamee ever arrested Sloan. Old Arch might have needed to loan McNamee a car. Bet their paths crossed.

  5. Douglas Harris says:

    What a sloppy investigation. I am embarrassed to have grown up in Michigan. I wonder if they have all the secretary of state records for all the Leman’s owners during that year. If they do it would be nice to see if they can run the last three plate numbers 222. Doug Wilson repeated multiple times how confident he was about the last three numbers of the license plate. I doubt you would even the car’s color. There can not be very many leman’s owners with a license plate ending in 222 from that year.The State of Michigan needs to e-file all government documents. This way old documentation can be searched in a keyword/advanced search database. Not just information from criminal investigations. The government just let’s all the old documentation sit in filing cabinets to collect dust. IMO it is one of the worst parts of this investigation. There is so much old fashion detective work in this case when it needs to be digital. Just to pull a hand full of files must take hours. This is Completely unacceptable. I have a feeling this was never a cover up. This could be the result of the shittiest police work ever and prosecutors funneling money for a massive investigation. I would not be surprised if the state police have files they won’t let your family go through with the excuse that they are in an active investigation that already that proves who the killer is. They just need to hand over the damn files already. If they had such strong evidence that was too risky to release to your family than why did they relaunch the task force after Richard Lawson incriminating Ted Lamborghine and after Patrick Coffee mentioned his conversation with Larry Wasser about admitting to polygraph testing Christopher Bush. They don’t even know what evidence they have. Their only tool right now is taking tips and giving polygraphs. Your family and the media has done better with this investigation they have. I bet these detectives only work this case part time. Which is probably less than 5 hours a week at best. Don’t stop complaining. This is bullshit.

    • bitamoney says:

      Douglas Harris, For all the reasons you mention, and many more, I got the hell out. When I was 20. Never went back. I graduated from Cass Tech, won a scholarship, then when all was said and done I was expected to work at Big Boy’s. Remember them? Women were junk in Detroit.

  6. bitamoney says:

    Doug Wilson states that at one time Gacy had a younger sidekick. I’ve read a lot about Gacy but I never read that. Now with Gacy, whose crimes are famous, there is every possibility that the younger sidekick is known, identified and has been photographed. It would be good to see who that is.

    • cathybroad says:

      Gacy was 35 in 1977. I think what Doug Wilson is getting at is that the older man looked like Gacy in his later years. McNamee was in his late afternoon 40’s–and he looked older if you ask me. Don’t cops have to take physical fitness tests once in a while? ! At the end of the day, the older man Doug Wilson saw was there to assist/keep an eye on things. A woman had a disturbing exchange with a younger man in the back hallway of Hunter Maple late in the afternoon and then later saw and made direct eye contact with this man slowly cruising on her street in the neighborhood soon after that. These guys were out trolling for a kid on that sunny, warm March afternoon. The cops never took this woman’s information seriously. She called a number of times and got blown off.

      Was the older man McNamee? The state police know no one will ever know, so they don’t give a fuck.

      • Paul Jolliffe says:

        Cathy,

        The idea that two men were working together in the parking lot behind the Hunter-Maple pharmacy that night is more than plausible.

        All of the information you have posted about McNamee seems to indicate that he “liked” young girls. I don’t see anything there that he himself was interested in young boys – this doesn’t mean it is impossible, merely that there is no evidence of it in the available files.

        Further, all of the information you have posted over the years about Greg Green and Christopher Busch would indicate they “liked” young boys. Again, nothing in their files indicates that they had much interest in young girls.

        If McNamee and Busch (both seemingly residents of Bloomfield Township) knew each other, then this gets a little more complicated.

        If I recall correctly, the same human hairs were found on both boys, and all four of the OCCK victims had white animal hairs on their clothing. So at least one of the kidnapper/killers was involved with all four kids.

        I have long contended that Christopher Busch was an informant for law enforcement, almost certainly the FBI (the North Fox Island ring was being actively investigated in 1976). (Which is why Busch was released on his own personal recognizance in January of 1977 while Green was locked up for the rest of his life. It also explains why the FBI has clung to the absurd story that their files on Busch were “destroyed” in a flood at a storage facility decades ago.)

        Frank Shelden and the others were running that ring for the (big?) money. Chris Busch was a photographer for that ring. Were mobsters also involved in the production and distribution of the kiddie porn from North Fox Island? Maybe. Could that be a link to McNamee? Maybe.

        McNamee was a creep who should have been jailed on CSC charges decades ago.

        For thirteen months in 1976 and 1977, was he also a violent sadistic kidnapper/murderer of four little kids?

        Hmm.

        I don’t know. Nothing is impossible, but somehow that doesn’t seem all that probable.

        Could he have been connected to violent psychopaths (Greg Green) who actually killed those kids?

        Sure seems like it.

        • cathybroad says:

          The assumption that he only liked girls is very premature at this point, and based only on the records I posted. If McNamee was involved, he was probably not the person who killed the kids. Greene liked that job. McNamee’s physical proximity to Busch, his pedophelia, and the interesting fact that he responded to the Busch suicide, all have to be considered. After the way this case was handled 1976-1978, all we have left are long shots. McNamee has to be considered as a possible participant. A dirty cop helping these guys out is totally plausible. He could have been getting a fee for his services, paid by Busch.

          It’s also strike 2 for Bloomfield Township PD (handling of McNamee’s “issue” and the Busch suicide scene); clearly a lame suburban police department that made up the rules as it went along.

  7. Ej says:

    John wayne gacy dud do some construction work in michigan from time to time including in Albion.


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