A reader asked yesterday about Episode 6 of You Know They Know, The Oakland County Child Killer, by J. Reuben Appelman (, specifically about the 1992 conversation between a man who had been friends with my brother Tim and a retired detective and whether there had been any follow up on this.

I responded as follows:


March 21, 2022 at 6:39 pm (Edit)

Hi Eric, your observations made me reread notes I have concerning Episode 6 of You Know They Know, by J. Reuben Appelman. I also reread the portion of Marney Keenan’s book about Cory Williams informing Jack Kalbfleisch about Tim Nummer identifying Jack’s photo as the cop who spoke with him at Somerset Mall about Tim’s case.

Jack is basically a good human, has spoken with Marney Keenan after her book was published, but it seems he will never explain the true extent of what he knows or suspects about the Busch “suicide”/coverup. No straight answers on this. He has never given up on this case and maybe he just believes Busch was a pedophile who got murdered but was not the OCCK. After all, every honest, hardworking cop got that line of Busch and Greene passed the polygraph, they’re in the clear, move on!! It still doesn’t explain any version of what he said to Tim Nummer.

Although I do not put him in the same category as Patterson, Thompson, Robertson or Krease–or a few other cops from that era that I now consider dirty, I can tell you that when my family learned it was Jack who spoke with Tim Nummer, we were all more than deeply disappointed and felt betrayed. I remember thinking “I give up.” I will tell you that from the beginning, the part of Tim Nummer’s recollection where he understood this was not something the families ever wanted raised and were “ok with it,” was chilling to me, my brothers and my dad. Pretty good way to keep someone who doesn’t want to hurt his dead friend’s family quiet, don’t you think? Who would make that shit up?! Parts of it don’t make sense, but this is the OCCK case where that is the norm.

But you know how this stuff works, especially decades later–the cop is believed and the civilian is thrown under the bus. We’ve seen it time and again. If the police don’t like the “story,” they bury the messenger. Tim Nummer was just mistaken. Alpena Witness was mistaken. And why did both of you wait so long to come forward?! The witness to Kristine’s abduction was a child, and two cops from Berkley PD told him to shut his pie hole and then tormented him FOR YEARS, punishing him for coming forward. For my money, I’d trust a kid who had no reason to lie before I would trust a cop.

So we will never get a straight answer here, Eric. I think it is a combination of ego, the “Blue Code,” and just plain fucking up.

A few people have been generous and kind enough to help me with these types of questions. I’m telling you, the level of stonewalling, gaslighting and bullshit is soul-crushing. Someone who is wiser than I helped me parse the issue of a cop telling A FRIEND OF TIM’S some version of the case had been “handled” years before and that the families knew and were ok with it because they just wanted to move on with their lives.

I think that analysis provided to me on this issue is very sound and I am going to post it tonight. It’s as close as I’m going to understand how this shit went down. Readers can make up their own minds.

Thank you for your kind words.


Here is the analysis I think is as close as you can get to evaluating the exchange the reader asked about and related issues:

6 responses to “Analysis.”

  1. Cathy, I’m so sorry for all this bullshit. I played Little League with Tim (although I didn’t really know him) and grew up 3 doors down from Holy Name, where I went to school. I spent tons of time in Poppleton Park and going to the pharmacy to buy candy. I worked at Albans. My brother lived down the street from you in the late 80s, early 90s. I can’t wrap my head around all the deception. I am so thankful for you staying with this and not giving up. Tim’s (and the other kid’s) murders changed how we raise our children, and not in a good way. Gone are the carefree days we grew up with (or at least the the illusion). These sick fucks have ruined the freedom that kids deserve. And the internet has only made it worse. Again, thank you for sticking with this.

  2. A couple of thoughts….

    1. I wonder how much H Lee contributed to Patterson’s Senate campaign
    2. Since Sillery and Cabot were incompetent. how truly reliable and accurate is the .41 BAC for Busch?

    • H. Lee would have never directly contributed–it would have gone through an intermediary, like the time Patterson took $ from Hoffa through Hoffa’s driver. Check it out on

      Even if Busch’s BAC was a third of that number, what are the odds that fat fuck got himself right between the eyes and then managed to tuck himself back into bed?

      • Oh I completely agree Cathy. I’ve just gotten so skeptical about the competency of so many involved in this whole thing, so maybe the person analyzing the BAC was equally incompetent.

      • The odds are zero. Shoots himself between the eyes and then is able to have his senses to tuck himself back in bed. What a joke and an embarrassment that the MSP would even consider that a suicide. Maybe corporal McNamee got rid of him. Considering he was the first cop at the scene

  3. Cathy –

    Thank you for this *huge* reply and for the response in general.

    In regard to the pages available, I don’t believe that TPTB ever had a conference or collection of individuals on the task force where they announced what “resolve” they would have. Likely whatever was decide was within closed doors, and amongst a select few (or many?).

    It may have been that over time (and esp amongst anyone who was around or who was involved in task force) that gossip was passed amongst them (and accepted). Which is of course the line that the papers received from law enforcement . Of course, each individual had their on spin on it.

    Jack K. was just “caught” in the moment. I’m sure that he would have backtracked on what he said. Who wouldn’t?

    And I’m willing to bet that Jack was far from the last who heard this. Maybe this is how they were able to put the case to “bed” for themselves.

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